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i'm offended by lindsey graham. they played politics, the republicans and democrats, with the trials of these men. it's wrong. they should be brought to trial. 254 men have been tried in federal court, and it's gone well. now they try to play politics with this, and we have been held up. we're in pretrial motions with khalid shaikh mohammed. let's get the trials going in new york city. all of the people who were affected that day could go see the trials. >> i think a lot of people would echo the sentiment. they don't want politics involved in this, but there are politics involved. lindsay graham very strong today. i'm sure other congressman and women will come out tomorrow saying similar stuff. what could happen politically? could this decision be overturned? >> i think that's unlikely. the way that the executive branch from the president on down from a policy perspective organized this operation, they organized it with the specific purpose of having this guy in federal court. it's a uniquely executive branch decisi
i'm offended by lindsey graham. they played politics, the republicans and democrats, with the trials of these men. it's wrong. they should be brought to trial. 254 men have been tried in federal court, and it's gone well. now they try to play politics with this, and we have been held up. we're in pretrial motions with khalid shaikh mohammed. let's get the trials going in new york city. all of the people who were affected that day could go see the trials. >> i think a lot of people would...
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. >> lindsey graham made it clear to me that in exchange for major entitlement reform, social security, medicare, medicaid, he would support what's called a grand bargain and include major tax reform that could potentially increase tax revenues but you've got to have a big package deal. would you go along with that? >> i don't know what the plan is. i don't know what the list is. i'm serving on the finance committee. we're having a hearing tomorrow. the president's on the air every other whipstitch blaming republicans we just want to eliminate these taxes for the rich. what is he talking about? he's been talking about on the campaign trail shutting down the oil and gas industry in kansas, shutting down agriculture, lending institutions, et cetera, et cetera, all sorts of executive orders and regulations. in terms of tax reform and the loopholes, where are they? what's the plan? where's the list? >> well, would you be able to get into negotiations? >> i'm always ready to get into negotiations. i know numbers are important but the policy is an important as well. yeah, we want to do that.
. >> lindsey graham made it clear to me that in exchange for major entitlement reform, social security, medicare, medicaid, he would support what's called a grand bargain and include major tax reform that could potentially increase tax revenues but you've got to have a big package deal. would you go along with that? >> i don't know what the plan is. i don't know what the list is. i'm serving on the finance committee. we're having a hearing tomorrow. the president's on the air every...
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graham because john mccain is upset then lindsey is upset too. oh, yeah and the go ahead that john mccain -- in fact -- went on actually to call at it disservice to raise this issue. >> so we have done i think a disservice to a lot of americans by make them believe that somehow they are in danger from their government. they are not. >> by the way, what have republicans done for the past five or six years? making their terrified that the government is going to take your guns. everyone wants to take over your lives. >> bill: yeah, that's all they do is the scare tactic and rand paul was responding to later from the attorney general of the united states who said we have the legal authority to kill americans on american soil with a drone. jesus, that's worth raising the question about it. and it was john mccain and lindsey graham, what service do they provide by raising the big issue of benghazi and accusing president obama for being responsible for the death of ambassador stephens when the congress had cut the funding. so they made a huge phony deal
graham because john mccain is upset then lindsey is upset too. oh, yeah and the go ahead that john mccain -- in fact -- went on actually to call at it disservice to raise this issue. >> so we have done i think a disservice to a lot of americans by make them believe that somehow they are in danger from their government. they are not. >> by the way, what have republicans done for the past five or six years? making their terrified that the government is going to take your guns....
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graham camp than the rand paul camp. however, it was striking to a lot of people that the bright stars of the republican party like florida senator marco rubio and texas senator ted cruz joined rand paul in the filibuster against the obama administration's drone poll sane i think that's what really fired up folks like mccain and graham seeing some of the young stars of the republican party, the young tea party stars going on a tangent regarding national security and foreign policy and the republican party definitely isn't known for. >> let's play what rand paul -- just gave an interview this morning to glenn beck on his radio show. here's a little bit of what rand paul said regarding his critics. let's play it. >> government were comprised of angels we wouldn't need rules and so i try to make it less about president obama and more about what if some day we elect someone who wouldn't -- who would abuse this power? >> senator, there's been some criticism of your filibuster last night including from apparently lindsey graha
graham camp than the rand paul camp. however, it was striking to a lot of people that the bright stars of the republican party like florida senator marco rubio and texas senator ted cruz joined rand paul in the filibuster against the obama administration's drone poll sane i think that's what really fired up folks like mccain and graham seeing some of the young stars of the republican party, the young tea party stars going on a tangent regarding national security and foreign policy and the...
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you have the neocon people like lindsey graham and john mccain who are ready at the snap of the fingers to go to war. that's the first solution. let's go to war. they always have one ready. then you have the very conservative old pat buchanan breed, people like rand paul who are very suspicious of our power being used for any purpose besides basic national defense. >> yeah, right. that's the split in the republican party, and they're going to have to deal with that. the other thing he was driving at i think is, look, i personally, like a lot of democrats i guess, i have confidence -- i know that president obama thinks about the use of drones, and i know that he and -- i have confidence in him -- >> suppose cheney were president right now. >> exactly. >> right now. >> he's only going to be president for another 3 1/2 years. others are going to follow, and unless we kind of think about what sort of limits, if any, we want to put -- >> you remember cheney's speech about the shadow lands and the gray areas of the world and the hallways and the back halls. >> exactly. >> he talks like that.
you have the neocon people like lindsey graham and john mccain who are ready at the snap of the fingers to go to war. that's the first solution. let's go to war. they always have one ready. then you have the very conservative old pat buchanan breed, people like rand paul who are very suspicious of our power being used for any purpose besides basic national defense. >> yeah, right. that's the split in the republican party, and they're going to have to deal with that. the other thing he was...
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. >> tell that to face the nation was john mccain and his brother or boyfriend, lindsey graham were on side by side on face the nation. he appeared saying that kim at just 28 years old the north korean dictator is a great guy, he is not his father. he wants president obama to call him. he thinks they could break the ice with basketball. >> jamal: okay. >> that would solve all of the world's problems. >> jamal: i'm an old detroit piston's fan, but i have a soft spot for dennis rodman. so i can't go too negative on dennis rodman. >> let's send rick mahorn to syria. let's send bill lambeard to iran. >> laura sil verman's attempt to be the first nfl kicker did not last long. he is injured her leg while kicking. she kicked just two tryouts, she then called it quits, saying she hopes to try another time. >> wow. the 14-yard kick is a pretty tough way to day bu. >> i know y'all are going to get mad at me for saying this because i a feminist i love women, i have all of their albums. but women should not be playing football. >> yeah. >> i will watch women's soccer women's basketball women's sof
. >> tell that to face the nation was john mccain and his brother or boyfriend, lindsey graham were on side by side on face the nation. he appeared saying that kim at just 28 years old the north korean dictator is a great guy, he is not his father. he wants president obama to call him. he thinks they could break the ice with basketball. >> jamal: okay. >> that would solve all of the world's problems. >> jamal: i'm an old detroit piston's fan, but i have a soft spot for...
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now, again, john mccain, republican from arizona, lindsey graham, republican from south carolina, have both said over the weekend on the sunday talk shows that they are holding out the possibility of still holding up the john brennan confirmation vote. my guess is at the end of the day they don't particularly after you see some of these concessions from the white house, so my guess is brennan does go through later in the week, and at that point, andrea, you now have all of the major no, ma'am nags that the president made in terms of his cabinet level offices. they all went through. they didn't go through probably exactly as he planned. chuck hagel may be more contentious, although my guess is they knew it was going to be contentious, but john kerry, chuck hagel, jack lew, and now likely john brennan, so the president is getting the cabinet that he wanted, though, you know, the path toward it was a little bit of a roller coaster. >> owe think quite a bit of a roller coaster, i would say, about chuck hagel, and he still has to prove that he hasn't been damaged internally at the pentagon
now, again, john mccain, republican from arizona, lindsey graham, republican from south carolina, have both said over the weekend on the sunday talk shows that they are holding out the possibility of still holding up the john brennan confirmation vote. my guess is at the end of the day they don't particularly after you see some of these concessions from the white house, so my guess is brennan does go through later in the week, and at that point, andrea, you now have all of the major no, ma'am...
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. >> michael: well, when mccain is somewhere, lindsey graham can't be far behind. he also took to the floor incredibly to defend the president he once called tone deaf and a failed commander in chief. >> there are a thousand examples of a failed presidency, but there's also some agreement. i congratulate him for having the good judgment to understand we're at war, and to my party i'm a bit disappointed that you no longer think that we're at war. >> michael: the conservative media agrees. the wall street journal editorial addressed to rand paul quote, calm down, senator mr. holder is right. the u.s. government can't randomly target american citizens on u.s. soil or anywhere else. senator paul shot right back on cnn this morning. >> the wall street journal is right on a lot of issues and they're wrong on this issue. the problem is if i call an enemy combatant how do we know if you are or aren't? >> michael: to answer that question eric holder has come in. he said, it came to my attention that you asked an additional question. if you does the president have the author
. >> michael: well, when mccain is somewhere, lindsey graham can't be far behind. he also took to the floor incredibly to defend the president he once called tone deaf and a failed commander in chief. >> there are a thousand examples of a failed presidency, but there's also some agreement. i congratulate him for having the good judgment to understand we're at war, and to my party i'm a bit disappointed that you no longer think that we're at war. >> michael: the conservative...
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senator john mccain to a certain extent, lindsey graham came out and criticized that filibuster. and it was seen as kind of an old guard, young turk sort of divide in the republican party. if you had to describe what is going on now inside the republican party, how would you describe it? >> i would say it is a natural process of where there's divergen divergence, people can express their views openly. but that on the broad issues, there's still broad support and concurrence. the fact that senator mccain was critical of elements of what senator paul said is fair. but on the other hand, i think he would respect the fact that senator paul got a response from the administration on the key question of whether or not drones could be used against american citizens on american soil. i think it's okay to have a disagreement. you know, we don't march lock step 100% in agreement all the time. but on these broader issues, i think there is broad support and that's what's emerging in the republican party going forward. >> and the president's so-called charm offensive, it's been noted by some f
senator john mccain to a certain extent, lindsey graham came out and criticized that filibuster. and it was seen as kind of an old guard, young turk sort of divide in the republican party. if you had to describe what is going on now inside the republican party, how would you describe it? >> i would say it is a natural process of where there's divergen divergence, people can express their views openly. but that on the broad issues, there's still broad support and concurrence. the fact that...
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now, you see today that republicans like lindsey graham and john mccain are making rand paul pay the price for what happened. >> megyn: they are not happy at all. they think his behavior was offensive and insulting and raising an issue they don't think is a real one and demeans the presidency by suggesting that he would at random kill americans sitting in a cafe. >> and i might submit that that's the reason rand paul was where he was last night and why senator graham was where he was last night dining with the president. you don't get access, don't get influence, don't get to be part of the discussion behind closed doors in washington d.c. making a stink, being the skunk at the garden party, like rand paul did. however, rand paul can count this on his side. the american people didn't like washington and didn't like cut out of the process that this new brand of populous libertarian style of populace in the republican party may have currency and may make him a contending for 2016. >> megyn: you look out the window behind you and literally we're expecting to see the pigs fly. what he di
now, you see today that republicans like lindsey graham and john mccain are making rand paul pay the price for what happened. >> megyn: they are not happy at all. they think his behavior was offensive and insulting and raising an issue they don't think is a real one and demeans the presidency by suggesting that he would at random kill americans sitting in a cafe. >> and i might submit that that's the reason rand paul was where he was last night and why senator graham was where he...
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in 2014, will this be the undoing of linds lindsey graham splil career? maybe not. shifted the terms of debate within the republican party and you've seen a lot of main stream republicans, including marco rubio, mitch mcconnell join with rand paul and that was an important moment and we'll see how that plays out in the coming years. >>> we'll take a quick break and pay some bills. back in a moment with a look at 42 at doma and what that mix might mean for marriage equality. this is msnbc, the place for politics. max and penny kept our bookstore exciting and would always come to my rescue. but as time passed, i started to notice max just wasn't himself. and i knew he'd feel better if he lost a little weight. so i switched to purina cat chow healthy weight formula. i just fed the recommended amount... and they both loved the taste. after a few months max's "special powers" returned... and i got my hero back. purina cat chow healthy weight. for the things you can't wash, freshen them with febreze. ♪ because febreze doesn't just cover up odors... it penetrates deep in
in 2014, will this be the undoing of linds lindsey graham splil career? maybe not. shifted the terms of debate within the republican party and you've seen a lot of main stream republicans, including marco rubio, mitch mcconnell join with rand paul and that was an important moment and we'll see how that plays out in the coming years. >>> we'll take a quick break and pay some bills. back in a moment with a look at 42 at doma and what that mix might mean for marriage equality. this is...
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. >> listen to senator lindsey graham. he himself is an attorney. he's very much opposed to the decision to send him to new york. he thought this was an enemy combatant who belonged in guantanamo bay before a military tribunal. listen to senator graham. >> to the administration, why did you not send this person to guantanamo bay to be held as an enemy combatant for intelligence-gathering purposes? i have been firm against torture but i do believe that guantanamo bay is a secure military facility that provides this country a great asset and we've received a lot of information from guantanamo bay detainees. >> as you remember, the uproar a few years ago when they were thinking of sending sheikh mohammed to be tried before a civil court in new york. that eventually was reversed. what do you think about the pros and cons legally speaking? >> well, it is true that there is a major difference between the two in terms of interrogation. in a criminal court where he is now, he will receive a lawyer who will undoubted he will say, stop talking to prosecutors.
. >> listen to senator lindsey graham. he himself is an attorney. he's very much opposed to the decision to send him to new york. he thought this was an enemy combatant who belonged in guantanamo bay before a military tribunal. listen to senator graham. >> to the administration, why did you not send this person to guantanamo bay to be held as an enemy combatant for intelligence-gathering purposes? i have been firm against torture but i do believe that guantanamo bay is a secure...
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. >> that was senator mccain and lindsey graham attacking rand paul. this launched a fiery debate on drones in the u.s. we want to bring in our analyst, gloria borger, we talked extensively. what was that last summer here on the president's secret drone program and kill list. i want to begin with you here. senator paul said president obama talking to dana on the same page with him and now we see the answer and have this response via this letter that the answer is no. i love to talk to senator paul and ask him if this is good enough, but i wonder what defines imminent threat. is this nubulous? >> in many ways eric holder's letter was not as target said as it could have been. i think that what you see in this answer is that the u.s. government cannot randomly target american citizens on u.s. soil or anywhere else. what it does not say and i think this is where rand paul probably agrees with eric holder is that you can't rule out targeting an enemy combatant as rand paul said. somebody is going into the capitol with a grenade, of course. the "wall street
. >> that was senator mccain and lindsey graham attacking rand paul. this launched a fiery debate on drones in the u.s. we want to bring in our analyst, gloria borger, we talked extensively. what was that last summer here on the president's secret drone program and kill list. i want to begin with you here. senator paul said president obama talking to dana on the same page with him and now we see the answer and have this response via this letter that the answer is no. i love to talk to...
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senator lindsey graham among them. >> we believe firmly that gitmo, there is no substitute for it, that congress will agree upon, that it is the right place to put an enemy combatant for interrogation and at all possible trial. >> we're going to talk about a little of the politics of that a little later. first, suleman abugathe. tim lister here, executive editor. he wasn't an operations guy, but clearly he was well connected. a son-in-law of bin laden. here he is side by side with him. how did we get our hands on him? >> like an episode out of "homeland". he was skulking around in iran for ten years. got there in 2002. he seems to be very restless. at some point the iranians pushed him or he decided to go. he crosses the border into turkey on a forged saudi passport. the turks horrified, this is the last thing they want. he's in turbish custody for four weeks. the cia alerted the turks he was staying at this luxury hotel in ankara. >> luxury hotel. >> they put him on a plane to kuwait, his land of birth, but the plane stops in jordan and the jordanians, close to the cia, hand him over.
senator lindsey graham among them. >> we believe firmly that gitmo, there is no substitute for it, that congress will agree upon, that it is the right place to put an enemy combatant for interrogation and at all possible trial. >> we're going to talk about a little of the politics of that a little later. first, suleman abugathe. tim lister here, executive editor. he wasn't an operations guy, but clearly he was well connected. a son-in-law of bin laden. here he is side by side with...
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he has spoken with senators lindsey graham, susan collins rob portman bob corker, among others. without revealing details of the conversations, there is an inned case he may have a window of opportunity to find some common ground. the president's outreach is a deliberate move to circumvent g.o.p. congressional leadership who is adamantly refusing to budge. the president's also expected to make a rare trip up to the hill next week to meet separately with both the republican and democratic caucuses in both chambers. turns out the tea party is just not that into rick scott anymore. henry kelly has some creative words for the florida governor who, shockingly, decided to back the affordable care act expansion of medicaid for people making up to 133% of the poverty level. kelly writes on his blog "i'm trying to figure out how medicaid is going to pay to remove the knife in my back." scott is not shy about making a complete 180 after federal government granted florida a waiver to use private funds for plans. scott has a history of being cool with taxpayer money fund-raising private ind
he has spoken with senators lindsey graham, susan collins rob portman bob corker, among others. without revealing details of the conversations, there is an inned case he may have a window of opportunity to find some common ground. the president's outreach is a deliberate move to circumvent g.o.p. congressional leadership who is adamantly refusing to budge. the president's also expected to make a rare trip up to the hill next week to meet separately with both the republican and democratic...
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as lindsey graham's saying, ronald reagan's rolling over in his grave. and john mccain's quoting chairman mao about just how bleak it looks. if you actually look at the numbers s numbers, there's not a single cut. spending goes up for the pentagon every single year, even under the sequester. >> that's right. and this needs to be translated outside of the beltway because when people in washington talk about cuts, they're talking about a reduction and an increase in spending. that is washingtonspeak for a cut. but what's so remarkable to me is that the sequester was not a storm on the horizon. it wasn't like hurricane sandy and everyone had to, you know, take bottled water into the bathtub and whatnot. this was something that they created. this was initiated by the white house. this was a backup plan created by the very same politicians who are now railing against their own backup plan. the other point that you have made is that the cuts in and of themselves are so minuscule, what everyone i think is having heart attack and heartburn over is that they were
as lindsey graham's saying, ronald reagan's rolling over in his grave. and john mccain's quoting chairman mao about just how bleak it looks. if you actually look at the numbers s numbers, there's not a single cut. spending goes up for the pentagon every single year, even under the sequester. >> that's right. and this needs to be translated outside of the beltway because when people in washington talk about cuts, they're talking about a reduction and an increase in spending. that is...
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.. >> senators john mccain and lindsey graham on the senate floor talk about the filibuster. senator rand paul, who led the filibuster, questioned the ability of drone strikes on u.s. citizens on u.s. soil. this is 40 minutes. >> thank you, mr. president. i'd like to quote from this morning's editorial in "the wall street journal", entitled "rand paul's drone rant." i'd like read, for the edification of my colleagues, the editorial in "the wall street journal" this morning. a credible media outlet. the warm read, quote: give rand paul credit for theatrical timing, as the snowstorm descended on washington, the republican's kentucky old-fashioned filibuster wednesday, filled the attention void on twitter and cable tv, if only his reasoning matched the showmanship. shortly before noon, senator paul began talking filibuster against john brennan's nomination to lead the cia. a fact tick rarely used in the senate and was last seen in 2010. but senator paul said, quote, alarm, had to be sounded to the threat to americans from their own government. he promised 'ospeak, quote, until t
.. >> senators john mccain and lindsey graham on the senate floor talk about the filibuster. senator rand paul, who led the filibuster, questioned the ability of drone strikes on u.s. citizens on u.s. soil. this is 40 minutes. >> thank you, mr. president. i'd like to quote from this morning's editorial in "the wall street journal", entitled "rand paul's drone rant." i'd like read, for the edification of my colleagues, the editorial in "the wall street...
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graham were critical of the filibuster. their remarks are next. >> now senators john mccain and lindsay gram on the senate floor talking about wednesday's nearly 13-hour filibuster. senator rand paul questioned the hypothetical of a drone strike of a u.s. citizen on american soil. this hays minutes. >> mr. president, i'd like to quote from this morning's editorial in "the wall street journal." entitled: "rand paul's drone rant." i'd like to read phenomenon the edification of my colleagues the editorial that was in the "wall street journal" this morning. a credible media outlet. the "wall street journal" reads, quote: give rand paul credit for theatrical timing. as a snowstorm descended on washington, the kentucky kentucky republicans old fashioned filibuster wednesday filled the attention void on twitter and cable tv. if only his reasoning matched the showmanship. shortly before noon, senator paul began talking filibuster against john brennan's nomination to lead the cia. in a tactic last seen in 2010. senator paul said, qu
graham were critical of the filibuster. their remarks are next. >> now senators john mccain and lindsay gram on the senate floor talking about wednesday's nearly 13-hour filibuster. senator rand paul questioned the hypothetical of a drone strike of a u.s. citizen on american soil. this hays minutes. >> mr. president, i'd like to quote from this morning's editorial in "the wall street journal." entitled: "rand paul's drone rant." i'd like to read phenomenon the...